I wanted to chat with Malina because he is by far the most Jewishly engaged person on The West Wing. He grew up going to yeshiva, has described Judaism as the ākey elementā in his identity, hosts the hit podcast Chutzpod! and has been to Israel several times, including with Encounter, a group that takes Jews to the occupied West Bank to meet with Palestinians.
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We started with the West Wing Mideast arc and ended talking about a lot of other things, including the new role he is growing a beard for but is not yet allowed to talk about in public. He joked that this is the āsubstantive Jewish theater phaseā of his career, and explained how much he loved being in Nathan Englanderās new and very Jewish play What We Talk About When We Talk About Anne Frank last summer.Ā Ā
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Malinaās character on The West Wing, is decidedly not Jewish, though nebbishy in the extreme. He is also the most skeptical voice in these peace-talk scenes, taking the hardest of lines about Israeli security and Palestinian terror, saying the president has āno viable alternativeā but to ābomb Palestinians,ā and that there is no deal possible on the return of Palestinian refugees to Israel.Ā
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āI hear thereās room in Montana ā they can rent a cabin and try to secede from the Union,ā the character cracks. When Toby talks of convincing the Palestinian leader to accept āsomething lessā than sovereignty over the Arab sections of Jerusalem, Will quips:Ā āHow about a floral arrangement? Best wishes for the 93rd intifada.ā
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And when Kate challenges Will, saying, āSo now all Palestinians are terrorists?ā he responds, āIf the kaffiyeh fits ā¦ā
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āCynical and pretty one-sided, and one could argue even racist,ā Malina said to describe Willās positions. āI couldnāt tell if that was seen as some concession to me, or how they imagined my positions to be. I would be horrified or mortified to think I would ever say anything that approaches that.ā
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Of course he was acting. Malina said he did not help shape the Middle East storyline or nitpick the script, despite his deep feelings about the issue; thatās just not how he works. But he remembered having āuncomfortableā and āunpleasantā conversations with colleagues between scenes, in which he was often put on the spot to defend or explain some Israeli action because he belongs to a synagogue and prioritizes Shabbat dinner.
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āI consider myself pretty lefty, and they were super lefty,ā he recalled. āI donāt mind getting into the mess of it, and we all respect each other at the end of the day, but we had real deep conversations about Israel and the Palestinians and about the occupation and about settlements.ā
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He remembered a discussion in which someone made the case that the 9/11 attacks were not an act of terror but a political act, an idea he rejected outright. āWhat about the Irgun?ā he was asked. āWhat about the Stern Gang? What about the bombing of the King David Hotel?ā
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āI said, āOh, thatās also terrorism ā I donāt know who you think I am or what you think I believe,āā Malina continued. Ā āI got backed into being the pro-Israel guy. Particularly the Jews, the liberal Jews behind the scenes and in the cast, had a hard time finding space for the Israeli perspective. I remember trying to be a proponent of nuance.āĀ
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I, too, am a committed proponent of nuance. And not just about Israel. I asked Malina about āJewface,ā as Sarah Silverman has decried the practice of casting non-Jewish actors for Jewish roles. I also asked if he prefers to play Jewish characters, as he did not only in the Englander play but also in the sitcom Sports Night ā and which of the many roles he has played feels most like Joshua Malina.Ā
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āIām not unmoved by Sarah Silvermanās argument,ā he began. āI get that if the pendulum is swinging, as it ought to, toward minority artists, artists of color, working more, it should apply to Jews, too.āĀ
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And yet: Does that mean he doesnāt get to play Will Bailey? Or, as Malina said, āanyone whoās younger than 57?ā And what about Greg Hildreth, who played a Haredi man in Englanderās play?
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āAt the end of every performance, when I would meet friends or family who came to see the show, everybody would rave about him and I would say, āGet ready for this: not Jewish,āā he recalled. āTo me, there was no reason to have cast someone else in that role, because this guy was brilliant.
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āI would love to be considered for Jewish roles because Iām Jewish,ā he added. āItās a tough nut, because the quintessence of being an actor is portraying what you arenāt or who you arenāt.āĀ
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But thereās something special about playing a Jewish character ā especially when that character does something Jewish, as in the Sports Night episode āApril is the Cruelest Month,ā where Malinaās Jeremy Goodwin organizes a Passover Seder.Ā
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āBack then, if there was a āJewish episodeā about something it was about knishes and shopping or something, just typical Jewish touchstones, and Aaron went a lot deeper in a way that spoke to a lot of people,ā Malina said, referring to Aaron Sorkin, who created both Sports Night and The West Wing. āLots of Jewish people email me. people still sometimes stop me in the street and go, āOh, the Passover episode of Sports Night, when I was a kid, that meant a lot to me.ā